Sovereignty of SeaWitch

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Sorry too many typos first time.

Hi SeaWitch. This is a position I have found myself in a few times. It is hard to know where discussion ends and mudslinging begins. I am sorry you have been forced into this unwillingly but when you throw/put posts like this into "the world" this is what you get. People will resort to name calling and mudslinging when their argument is threatened. I enjoy a lively debate but I am floored by the name calling too. Respect to you

I'm really sorry that you felt you had to defend your heritage on here. That's definitely not what I wanted or condone. I really appreciate your input and hope that you don't get so discouraged that you stop posting altogether.

I know that SeaWitch.
Of course, I will not stop posting altogether ( I am the Diva) but I feel I have to bow out of the previous discussion for a while.

Quite understandable. Anything else posted in there now will be filed under "beating the dead horse".

LOL.
Flogging and the rest.

Oh come on, you guys! I was just getting started!

/shakes fist angrily in the air

;-)

Zork...I'm not telling you to stop. By all means DEBATE. Argue. Make it heated. State your points. State them a hundred times if you want. It's just that when people start insulting, the original topic of debate is lost and people have to spend their time either defending the insult or thinking up a worse one to throw back.

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So what am I supposed to do now with the brass knuckles I've just bought? :P

Seawitch, we certainly have a lot of heated debates on my blog, especially since my partner and I have a "no ban" policy and everyone is free to say anything they want about anything. My only concern is the same as yours, that people try to keep the discussion semi-civilised, other than that, we have no rules.

In your previous post, I commented on the issue you posted and an aggressive, arrogant racist started taking cheap shots at anything he could think of, trying to insult not just me but any poster he didn't like.

Ethny is a racist and he's a joke, not much to debate there. He makes erroneous statements with no substance or fact and when someone disagrees with him and points out the obvious, he throws hissy fits and temper tantrums.

I'm not one to state my point a hundred times, I've said what I had to say, it's there for the world to see. Will I keep making fun of ethny? Yes. However, if you want me to leave, I will, and no hard feelings :-)

steelheart, I could use those brass knuckles on my site. If you ever visit me, please feel free to bring them along ;-)

"vitriol filled tirade?" Project much, ethny?

My "pathetic blog" has over 3,000 unique visitors a day, no need for me to troll for hits. I'm here because I enjoy seeing you making an ass of yourself. Besides, you wouldn't last very long on my blog, people would tear you apart in a minute, you sad little racist :-) No offense to the owner and the commenters here, but they're taking you seriously and you don't deserve it.

ethnocentrist, none of your "evidence" indicated what you claimed it did. You posted links that contained no actual evidence that Israel really genetically tests ANYONE at all, and then claimed that you'd proven your point. You didn't prove anything except your willingness to distort speculation about the future and opinion columns into statements of absolute current fact.

Calling me a racist as your first interaction?

Are you saying you're not a racist? Every word out of your mouth has been racist. Your *nickname* is *ethnocentrist*. If you're not a racist then why do feign surprise and offense when you walk, talk and act like one and then are called out for it?

Losing the debate before it began and flying into a childlike, vitriol filled tirade?

Pot, meet kettle.

"Uh, the mere fact that it occurs does not seem to bother you two dolts, eh?"

No, genetic testing doesn't bother me one bit. What bothers me is your lie that this is Israel's official policy. Your tirades in trying to cover up your lie are not bothering me either, I find them amusing.

"China, India, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Japan all have racial legislation and will not allow anyone to immigrate unless they are from the respective countries and can prove it. In Israel’s case, genetic testing is done."

And no need to thank me for finding your lie, er--I mean your misinformation, it was my pleasure. I'm always willing to help a racist in need.

Come on now Ethno. I assumed you were a reasonably intelligent human being until you started resorting to name calling like that. What is the point?

Let's not have SeaWitch start busting heads. I know she can, too!

Zork...I've never asked anyone to leave my blog nor have I ever banned anyone for saying what they feel. (It would have to be something very serious such as death threats or truly vile comments before I would remove anyone) I'm just asking...that IF it's at all possible...to try to be civil. I don't want to lose some of the voices of reason in here (and you all know who you are) LOL. Whatever happened to the Art of Conversation?

We don't seem to be debating ideas here, but trying to score points against each other on an individual basis. I can definitely detect communist/marxist/trotskyte leanings in some of the posters and nationalist expressions on others. These two worldviews have irreconciliable differences in the ways at seeing the world. The people expressing nationalist viewpoints do so from the basis of love for one's country, patriotism,respect for tradition, kith and kin; the marxists communists start from an international platform , love all mankind and to hell with national identities , open borders; repeating old worn out cliches and claiming to be very tolerant but in fact they are a monument to the most extreme form of intolerance , masters at crafting name tags on their oponents, (e.g. antisemite,homophobic, racist, chauvinist,supremacist,hate speech,bigot, intolerant etc) . They cling to a belief which is s utterly irrational even in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary .

No prize for guessing which side you're on, anonymous. You state all the right's arguments as being based on postive themes and all the left's as negative.
That's WHY there is no debate here. How can a left leaning person debate issues when they continually get told they use cliches and worn out arguments while the right leaners are presenting "facts" and "truths"?

This is the way the right stomps on any meaningful discussion we could have. I don't know how many times I have heard the phrases "strawman" and "ad homs" 'worn out" "tired" when referring to the left. The right seems to claim continously that they are the sole keepers of the "truth". Facts and statistics are not the the domain of the right. Anyone can use them to "prove" whatever they like.

What we need is debate not "proof". There is "proof" out there that the earth is flat, that Greeks are from outer space and that women are evil.

Does that "proof" make it so. I think not.

I am sure you will all be able to "prove" that I am a loony lefty liberal from this comment.

Has anyone else noticed that all of the ethnocentrist sympathisers do not have blogs of their own? I wonder why.

No, not stars but beliefs and ideology is good.

"Who cares? Maybe we're just too busy working to support our families and the generous welfare state that allows us the honor of having these "diverse" people to be amongst us? Hmmm?"

Well, you don't seem to be so busy that you can't devote so much time to commenting on the blogs. You are probably the most prolific writer out of all of us. My family also works hard to support ourselves AND the welfare state (which also helps pay for pensions and the health service) but find time to deal with issues I care about.

You are so good at twisting peoples words around. I used the example of the earth being flat before as something that was "proved" and there are still people out there that can "prove" it.

Is it wrong for me to be tolerant and humane because I BELIEVE this is the right way to behave.
Do I have to have facts and figures to back me up because I want to live my life in a good and honest way?

Sorry? How does my wanting to "to live my life in a good and honest way" impinge on anyone?

"detrimental impingement on me and my kin. Therefore it is hostile to my ethny and I do not want it"

How is it hostile to your ethny? What DO you want? For me to behave in a wicked and dishonest way?

So I am a marxist egalitarian am I? Where did you get that from? I said I want to live "a good and honest life".
Not be a good marxist.

Oh dear. My comment didn't show up. Here it is again.
How does wanting to live a good and honest life make me a Marxist egalitarian?
Why is ok for you to accuse me of being a marxist and not for anyone to accuse you of being a fascist?

I will have to leave you all for tonight. I do, believe it or not, have a life.
Happy blogging (or not as the case may be.)

Devious Diva, what are you doing in Greece ? Away from your fold and warm soul brothers ?

Have Greeks invited you to live in Greece, or are you one of those boat jumpers ?

You seem to be in love with yourself and your witticism, Narcissus. I am waiting for you to post some thoughts, ideas, concepts, solutions to the problems afflicting your soul brothers.

All what I read betrays a sullen soul, an agrieved spirit, a frustrated ego waiting to burst forth. Desperately searching for an audience to applaud and lionize you, a fillip to a starved ego.


Don't bother to answer , it is a matter of supreme indifference how you wallow your time in Greece. Time can better be expended than to invest one ounce of energy reading your vapid lucubrations .

SW: Inevitably, comment moderation emerges once topics attract the kind of response we've seen re. flags & immigrants. One added reason to move to a more sophisticated blogging tool, like Squarespace, is the ability to monitor discussion forums and have commenters register with the blog. Experience says that imposing a bit more control on the traffic drives down the propensity of people to be... errr... aggresively "outspoken."

To another anonymous wading in with the personal attack.

"Devious Diva, what are you doing in Greece ? Away from your fold and warm soul brothers ?"

I am here because I choose to be. As you would know if you had actually read through my posts to this blog. As for being away from my "warm soul brothers" I don't have any. I also don't have any brothers.

"Have Greeks invited you to live in Greece, or are you one of those boat jumpers ?"

"No and no. What is a boat jumper exactly?" I came by plane with a ticket and a passport the way the majority of foreigners come.

You seem to be in love with yourself and your witticism, Narcissus. I am waiting for you to post some thoughts, ideas, concepts, solutions to the problems afflicting your soul brothers."

I seem to be in love with myself? I love myself if thats what you mean and I assume everyone else feels the same about themselves. If you don't love yourself there's something wrong maybe? Again with the soul brothers which I already said I don't have.

"All what I read betrays a sullen soul, an agrieved spirit, a "frustrated ego waiting to burst forth. Desperately searching for an audience to applaud and lionize you, a fillip to a starved ego."

What can I say? That's what you read. I think you are wrong. My ego is fine. Don't be concerned. Thank you for your wonderful analysis of me. It was uncalled for but at least it made me laugh.


"Don't bother to answer , it is a matter of supreme indifference how you wallow your time in Greece. Time can better be expended than to invest one ounce of energy reading your vapid lucubrations "

If it is of such supreme indifference to you, why did you sit down and write this? Don't waste anymore time then. You are not obliged to read what I write.

"don't bother to answer" is probably what I should have done but...

I would suggest you stick to commenting on the issues and spend a little less time focusing on having a go at me.